ODS paperwork

[bearking]

As a future instructor, do I need to have a DD-214 for my enlisted NUPOC service, or does the commission supersede? I was commissioned this weekend and there was no DD-214 in the comdocs, and I am receiving conflicting opinions within my NRD.

[SSN_Seawolf]

As a future instructor, do I need to have a DD-214 for my enlisted NUPOC service, or does the commission supersede? I was commissioned this weekend and there was no DD-214 in the comdocs, and I am receiving conflicting opinions within my NRD.

You enlisting first was a part of your becoming an officer later and receiving a commission, since it is all part of the same program, I imagine it doesn't matter!

[bearking]

As a future instructor, do I need to have a DD-214 for my enlisted NUPOC service, or does the commission supersede? I was commissioned this weekend and there was no DD-214 in the comdocs, and I am receiving conflicting opinions within my NRD.

You enlisting first was a part of your becoming an officer later and receiving a commission, since it is all part of the same program, I imagine it doesn't matter!

Incorrect comdocs = no orders = another ODS missed + pay delays...

[mattage]

As a future instructor, do I need to have a DD-214 for my enlisted NUPOC service, or does the commission supersede? I was commissioned this weekend and there was no DD-214 in the comdocs, and I am receiving conflicting opinions within my NRD.

You enlisting first was a part of your becoming an officer later and receiving a commission, since it is all part of the same program, I imagine it doesn't matter!

It definitely does matter, or should. You were enlisted, discharged from an enlisted status, then received a commission. I did sign a DD-214 before my commisioning documents and a copy was sent with me to ODS. It matters for pay and DEERS and service record purposes, partly because here they assume in many cases that everyone needs to start from scratch, but as far as paperwork is concerned, you are in a similar situation to the prior enlisted. They will ask for your DD-214 here (obviously not everyone had one). Also, the time in NUPOC seems to count as time in service for pay, because my LES now shows that I have more than a year in service, so my pay will increase a little sooner than it otherwise would have. You can also check your DD-214 to see if you were given the GWOT service medal, then everyone can ask if you are prior because you have two ribbons on.

[SSN_Seawolf]

As a future instructor, do I need to have a DD-214 for my enlisted NUPOC service, or does the commission supersede? I was commissioned this weekend and there was no DD-214 in the comdocs, and I am receiving conflicting opinions within my NRD.

You enlisting first was a part of your becoming an officer later and receiving a commission, since it is all part of the same program, I imagine it doesn't matter!

It definitely does matter, or should. You were enlisted, discharged from an enlisted status, then received a commission. I did sign a DD-214 before my commisioning documents and a copy was sent with me to ODS. It matters for pay and DEERS and service record purposes, partly because here they assume in many cases that everyone needs to start from scratch, but as far as paperwork is concerned, you are in a similar situation to the prior enlisted. They will ask for your DD-214 here (obviously not everyone had one). Also, the time in NUPOC seems to count as time in service for pay, because my LES now shows that I have more than a year in service, so my pay will increase a little sooner than it otherwise would have. You can also check your DD-214 to see if you were given the GWOT service medal, then everyone can ask if you are prior because you have two ribbons on.

So I guess this applies to everyone, even those who go to OCS and are not NUPOC or BDCP. They are enlisted E-5 from the time they leave their house to report to OCS/ODS. So even for a brief period of time, they were enlisted (BDCP = E-3). So from what you are saying, we should all receive a DD214 and two ribbons?

Seawolf

[mattage]

So I guess this applies to everyone, even those who go to OCS and are not NUPOC or BDCP. They are enlisted E-5 from the time they leave their house to report to OCS/ODS. So even for a brief period of time, they were enlisted (BDCP = E-3). So from what you are saying, we should all receive a DD214 and two ribbons?

I can't say if it applies to every program, but you took the enlistment oath and were an E-6 so it should follow that you need to be discharged and that means signing a DD-214. Of course for OCS that happens at the end and not before, like for me. The date on my discharge was the day before my commisioning date so it was an uninterupted timeline. The NRD processor is the person who will know what is going on with all of that. As for the GWOT service medal, that depends on how long you've been in the program and if someone put the award in. I can't remember how long a person has to be on active duty to get it, but everyone gets it eventually. I asked the processor if the national defense medal was in my record because I have a relative who wanted to buy me the medal and the processor came back saying that I had it and the GWOT service. Another instructor here checked his DD-214 and he did not have the GWOT service medal. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but when you get your DD-214, check the awards section. Or, for you I suppose, ask the processor to look at your record so you know before you show up.

[bearking]

The date on my discharge was the day before my commisioning date so it was an uninterupted timeline. The NRD processor is the person who will know what is going on with all of that.

That's what seems to be happening now - the processor working my file talked to the other processor and they're frantically trying to get it done. They say it shouldn't keep me from going but who knows?

As for the GWOT service medal, that depends on how long you've been in the program and if someone put the award in. I can't remember how long a person has to be on active duty to get it, but everyone gets it eventually. I asked the processor if the national defense medal was in my record because I have a relative who wanted to buy me the medal and the processor came back saying that I had it and the GWOT service. Another instructor here checked his DD-214 and he did not have the GWOT service medal. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but when you get your DD-214, check the awards section. Or, for you I suppose, ask the processor to look at your record so you know before you show up.

Wikipedia says 30 days. Seems funny to me to walk into training with two ribbons on! Can I get them at the uni shop on Tuesday or should I beforehand? Do we need both medals and ribbons?

[mattage]

Seems funny to me to walk into training with two ribbons on! Can I get them at the uni shop on Tuesday or should I beforehand? Do we need both medals and ribbons?

There will be several priors, so they will have lots of ribbons and pins already. You can get the ribbons at uniform issue no problem. Everyone new has to pick up the national defense ribbon. You will need the medals for the graduation ceremony. Medals have to be mounted, so that's something you will have to do at some point. We weren't allowed to get medals mounted (it didn't matter to me, I had mine) on uniform issue day, we had to wait until we had on base liberty a couple weeks later. Another uniform tip, spend 90 cents to buy the 'enforcers' that hold the ribbons and name tag to your shirt. At the uniform shop they are on the same wall as the ribbons. It looks much nicer with those. You can also use a piece of belt, but I think its worth the 90 cents to avoid trying to jam pins through a belt everytime you need to remove your insignia to wash the uniform or put your nametag on something else.

[bme2nuke]

That's really interesting that you got eh GWOT medal as the instructions for the medal require you to be at your first permanent duty station. Maybe it had to do with your recruiting command?

[mattage]

That's really interesting that you got eh GWOT medal as the instructions for the medal require you to be at your first permanent duty station. Maybe it had to do with your recruiting command?

Must have, because another instructor who was in the program for about the same length of time did not have it in his record.